tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364831396028560774.post5887807141548107094..comments2023-10-23T12:43:45.847-07:00Comments on Eventing-A-Gogo!: Holy White TerrorAndreahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15902291220984883182noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364831396028560774.post-90863779047638494662011-02-23T18:36:22.497-08:002011-02-23T18:36:22.497-08:00I might be repeating things cus I didn't take ...I might be repeating things cus I didn't take the time to read all the comments, but what really worked for me with my mare (who does EXACTLY everything Marti does, from pulling back to no interest in people to not being catchable) was tons of roundpen work. I took garbage bags, balloons, feed sacs, sweaters, saddle pads, medicine balls etc into the round pen with her and just desensitized the crap out of her. I also worked with her following me. We went out in the pasture and walked over scary stuff. Horse blankets, tarps, towels, poles, cinder blocks, logs etc. Once she knew that where I had been wouldn't kill her I think ti really hit her that I was trustworthy. She still doesn't tie, but that's because when I tie her and she spooks, there's usually blood. She's in so much terror that she literally fights for her life. So we ground tie :P<br /><br />Good luck, and even though you won't realize it until you look back, it will be really rewarding :DThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00187657771572918754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364831396028560774.post-47662853352864920912011-02-19T20:46:56.319-08:002011-02-19T20:46:56.319-08:00I think you'll be able to take him. Gogo's...I think you'll be able to take him. Gogo's a good little maresy-mare, she's certainly a testament.Dressagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04849960430806754249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364831396028560774.post-69186179165728623612011-02-19T20:45:01.375-08:002011-02-19T20:45:01.375-08:00I love reading about your horse escapades. Some ar...I love reading about your horse escapades. Some are so familiar to me. :-) Anyway, I am giving you the Sweet Blogger Award for so honestly showing how it is to love and take care of horses through the highs and the lows. <br /><br />http://angeliaalmos.blogspot.com/2011/02/irresistibly-sweet-blog-award.htmlAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18370670423819447249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364831396028560774.post-8950011637875186582011-02-19T08:07:16.599-08:002011-02-19T08:07:16.599-08:00Please seek professional help if you plan to round...Please seek professional help if you plan to roundpen. A scared/defiant horse can turn aggressive if the animal feels trapped. <br /><br />I still think that you should keep him on a line (12-14 feet) until he is willing to move his hind and front end on soft cues (your eyes and posture). Use a fenced enclosure, but do not turn him loose until he willingly turns his hindquarters away from you on command. This way, even if he runs you can cue him to keep his hindend facing away from you and he will run backwards instead of turn and bolt. Horses can only run backwards for so long and dislike doing this. You will be able to calmly walk/jog with him as he runs himself silly (in reverse). As long as you are not punitive or stare him down as he is moving back, he should start to realize that running backwards is far worse than sticking with you, especially if you reward him for stopping and standing. <br />BE CAREFUL.Valhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07335385366138424092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364831396028560774.post-40882282076962774882011-02-19T06:39:58.951-08:002011-02-19T06:39:58.951-08:00Get thee to a round pen! I hope you have access t...Get thee to a round pen! I hope you have access to one, preferably with solid sides at the bottom!<br /><br />Ditto what several people said about Parelli...there are some good things there once you get past all the Majick, but what I learned of the system from a serious devotee was all on the line. <br /><br />This is helpful at a certain point, but with a horse like the one you describe, I would want to put him in the round pen with a halter and work him free!<br /><br />I'm not personally familiar with Clinton Anderson's methods, but have heard many people I respect recommend him. I use a mix of NH methods learned from working with fresh off the range mustangs. <br /><br />The thing with free work in the roundpen is that you are teaching the horse to THINK, pay attention to YOU and CHOOSE to come to you! This is different than a horse that "chooses" to come to you or stay with you because you have him attached to a line or chain. It will be hard, but in my experience with a dominant/defiant horse (which you definitely have here!), getting them to the point where they are choosing to be with you regardless of restraint is the key! Otherwise, you've always got them looking for the way they can get one over on you.<br /><br />DISCLAIMER: This is not a complete guide to roundpenning! Find someone who knows what they are doing (Should be easy in TX) and work with them, or learn their method through much study. This is about body language and timing, but it will work! I recommend Hank Hepperly from TN, maybe he has a clinic near you?<br /><br />Good luck and be careful/smart/safe!Erin and Marihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06020414503745980743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364831396028560774.post-45766471438684194622011-02-19T04:08:21.463-08:002011-02-19T04:08:21.463-08:00nice article and a tough horse, greeting from Indo...nice article and a tough horse, greeting from Indonesian bloggersDunia Berkaryahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11958815903483782378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364831396028560774.post-2835747592365540662011-02-18T20:01:35.148-08:002011-02-18T20:01:35.148-08:00Whoa. I don't care how cute he is, this behav...Whoa. I don't care how cute he is, this behavior is unacceptable.<br /><br />I agree with Red Horse, who recommended teaching him to disengage his hindquarters. I mentioned this in a previous post to help in catching him. I am glad to hear that you are not willing to ride him until he is acting like an upstanding citizen.<br /><br />He may scare easy, but it sounds like defiance and disrespect are also on the table. Drafts have big shoulders and they are bred to push into them. Mobilize his shoulders from the ground after he knows how to disengage his hindend.<br /><br />I apologize for the gratuitous advice, as you are an accomplished horsewoman; my motive is to contribute to your safety. I worked with a pushy draft who squashed a person in a doorway. Accident or not, the horse did not respect human space and it took many, many hours of (not fun and thankless) repetition to retrain him.Valhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07335385366138424092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364831396028560774.post-66037709984616124832011-02-18T16:21:36.215-08:002011-02-18T16:21:36.215-08:00I see a future Sunday Success Story!I see a future Sunday Success Story!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364831396028560774.post-38400128836881114562011-02-18T01:52:10.273-08:002011-02-18T01:52:10.273-08:00I did not know that Texan library had Clinton Ande...I did not know that Texan library had Clinton Anderson's DVDs ^-^ <br /><br />I would like to add that you are already a experienced horsewoman, so you do not have to go through all the Parelli level. <br /><br />You just need to learn the technique, IMO Clinton spells it out well. You get fast, real results.<br />Plus I really dislike Parelli phase 4, because in the long term it does not work!<br /><br />I would add that the 7 games or Clinton Anderson's groundwork, will be quite strenuous for Gogo as both methods use 12' (14' in CA's case) lead rope, and that puts LOTS of stress on the horses joints.<br /><br />I personnally always use the 22' long rope or a normal lunge.<br /><br />You can do it all in a nylon halter too. But you get better feel with a rope halter. Good quality ones are sold everywhere. Some firm make them to measure for a proper fit. Only my carrot stick is Parelli branded. The rest of my tack I bought it on Ebay.<br /><br />Have fun.Murielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05491691754938320621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364831396028560774.post-38220670936966088672011-02-17T11:55:43.007-08:002011-02-17T11:55:43.007-08:00You are more then capable of dealing with these is...You are more then capable of dealing with these issues. What I admire is your confidence, and he will learn to trust this. Just stay super confident!Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15121469297442797836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364831396028560774.post-23408478554435827002011-02-17T11:12:23.344-08:002011-02-17T11:12:23.344-08:00yikes girl, hang in there (literally). sounds like...yikes girl, hang in there (literally). sounds like he doesn't know his own strength, or he does and he's being a brute. either way, not good. stay safe!Katehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08707037151404133158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364831396028560774.post-60964478153304725122011-02-17T10:02:01.343-08:002011-02-17T10:02:01.343-08:00He sounds like a piece of work. Don't get your...He sounds like a piece of work. Don't get yourself killed Andrea. Be sensible (we know you will)! Have you conferred with his owner about his tricks?Abby Toppinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02436355046769368025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364831396028560774.post-52618493603320234952011-02-17T09:48:38.112-08:002011-02-17T09:48:38.112-08:00Aww a BIG baby! ;)
Well, I can attest to giving th...Aww a BIG baby! ;)<br />Well, I can attest to giving the Parelli games a shot. They are pretty basic and you will find you already kind of do that anyway, etc. BUT it seems to work. I did get the stick but I used a diff rope halter and lead and it's been fine for Laz and I. It has helped tremendously with his trust in me...it's odd, I dont really know why? But it's worked for us..we are still in the 7 games but I look forward to doing more! It's translated into better rides as well! Hoorah for thatKristen Eleni Shellenbargerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01458744919530540978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364831396028560774.post-81264843792433359952011-02-17T09:41:45.162-08:002011-02-17T09:41:45.162-08:00I got a mare in December who would do the spin/bol...I got a mare in December who would do the spin/bolt move... it's a tricky one. We spent a lot of time in a rope halter working on disengaging her hindquarters (a Clinton Anderson move but I'm sure Parelli has something similar) She still sometimes WANTS to take off instead of coping with the scary thing, but now I just point at her butt and she stops and looks at me. It's amazing how fast they can learn. Keep your chin up, it can be done! It only took us about 6 weeks and the behavior is all but gone :)RHFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02513212465360292806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364831396028560774.post-65591519919473854702011-02-17T09:36:50.940-08:002011-02-17T09:36:50.940-08:00I'm not sure about the blocker ring just yet. ...I'm not sure about the blocker ring just yet. I have a horse who exits out the back door when things look a little hinky. The blocker ring does keep him tied, but it hasn't taught him anything. <br />I think with Marti I'd be more inclined to go the girth rope route first, especially if you have to nerve to watch a litle pulling.SmartAlexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06219182373225762230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364831396028560774.post-60344132933258213582011-02-17T08:37:30.675-08:002011-02-17T08:37:30.675-08:00I agree with Muriel. I have been to both Parelli ...I agree with Muriel. I have been to both Parelli and Clinton Anderson clinics in person. Parelli was just a giant infomercial telling people that they too can have that magikal relationship with their horse as long as they fork over their wallets.<br /><br />Clinton, on the other hand, was great. In fact, I recently went back to his training methods with my mare, after having some serious problems with her, and let me tell you. It's no exaggeration to say that it *transformed* my relationship with my mare. I was ready to sell her and take up knitting instead, but using Clinton's step by step, no B.S. methods have allowed me and my mare to have a positive partnership again. And, yes, my mare enjoys the work. She has never been so soft, light, flexible or confident.<br /><br />I would *not* join Clinton Anderson's club thingy. You can find used copies of the DVD's everywhere. Or even check your local library. Even my tiny library in my podunk town had several C.A. DVD's.<br /><br />Good luck with the big boy.<br /><br />Oh, and one more thing. Get yourself a Blocker tie ring asap. It will save your horse from hurting himself and it works wonders with horses who pull back.starrynightshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17226871957075024560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364831396028560774.post-14928806454288447912011-02-17T08:05:30.499-08:002011-02-17T08:05:30.499-08:00When you're done with Marti, can you take mine...When you're done with Marti, can you take mine, he needs to learn to canter but I'm scared. I think you might just be moving too fast with Marti. My own horse hasn't been off the farm since I got him since I don't have a horse trailer. He thinks I'm awesome and he loves my friend Colleen, but the farrier and the vet are devil men that he finds terrifying. I'm always so embarrassed because he is fine for me until he sees them. He just doesn't interact with anyone but me so he doesn't know any better. So it sounds like Marti might be coming from the same type of situation. I think if you just feed him and catch him and brush him once a day for a week or two he will settle in and learn that you're his new person. And then you can start doing the scary things with him. First he needs to learn that his life depends on you to feed and care for him.Emily M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07445664152299987013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364831396028560774.post-68902125945194583572011-02-17T08:05:03.704-08:002011-02-17T08:05:03.704-08:00Wow, I can't wait to hear about this adventure...Wow, I can't wait to hear about this adventure! I also prefer Clinton Anderson over Parelli.<br /><br />Good luck, stay safe, and have fun!Brittanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10527949132410103776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364831396028560774.post-39814990557204309202011-02-17T08:03:11.451-08:002011-02-17T08:03:11.451-08:00I love reading about your stragies for addressing ...I love reading about your stragies for addressing tricky problems. Can't wait to see how this guy progresses.Allisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18160063682866958946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364831396028560774.post-67643879148079788632011-02-17T06:51:28.672-08:002011-02-17T06:51:28.672-08:00Sounds like both of my TB geldings when I first go...Sounds like both of my TB geldings when I first got them!! My first guy pulled back because he could--it was a game and he could get away with it, took a nylon rope halter and unbreakable rope tied to a heavy metal hitching post every day and he eventually figured out he wasn't getting away with it anymore.<br /><br />The other guy, it was because he was scared! Scared of stuff being around his feet, that was just a looooot of desensitization. Took me a few years, but I had that horse ground-tieing by the time he went to a new home. <br /><br />Best of luck! With a little blood, sweat, and tears anything is possible!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15593511785946843528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364831396028560774.post-41944565348575428042011-02-17T06:50:04.440-08:002011-02-17T06:50:04.440-08:00It can be done. My mare was completely wild and un...It can be done. My mare was completely wild and unhandled at 5 and now at 7 she's perfect on the ground and being just super about starting riding work.<br /><br />Clicker training was the key that unlocked her, I'm glad you're willing to try it.smazourekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03029180368325070266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364831396028560774.post-10808627252432982082011-02-17T06:13:44.725-08:002011-02-17T06:13:44.725-08:00Andrew Mclean combined with clicker has worked lik...Andrew Mclean combined with clicker has worked like magic for me.<br /><br />I am going to enjoy reading about your adventures with Marti. He sounds like a challenge--and the greater the challenge--the greater the reward!Judihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01696430372464786833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364831396028560774.post-33825969672113714822011-02-17T05:41:25.014-08:002011-02-17T05:41:25.014-08:00That is a LOT of horse to have big problems. He...That is a LOT of horse to have big problems. He's in for a wake up call with you. Can't wait to see how he progresses.Domhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00139769676714813261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364831396028560774.post-19766105814275292132011-02-17T05:14:58.603-08:002011-02-17T05:14:58.603-08:00Welcome to my world. Sounds a lot like Nina when ...Welcome to my world. Sounds a lot like Nina when I first got her. Good luck, patience is your friend.Barbarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01571711150060964222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364831396028560774.post-69610563949364736642011-02-17T05:08:39.421-08:002011-02-17T05:08:39.421-08:00Holy crap - that's a lot of horse to be runnin...Holy crap - that's a lot of horse to be running through a stud chain and you! Please stay safe and good luck with him. :)Jillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10335372315157759668noreply@blogger.com